I want to know this because I am considering seeing a psychiatrist about medication for my Schizoaffective.
9:55 PM
But I also have some manner of accidentally half-baked tulpa from my years of writing, and on one hand I think I would like to develop them more fully, but on the other hand my mental stability has been declining and antipsychotics may help...however I have heard that antipsychotics will impair interaction with tulpas.(edited)
that said, see if medication is actually required, or if you might be able to stabilise through therapy alone
10:16 PM
maybe a good therapist can help you out without any risk to your tup, or having to deal with medication and its possible side effects and the risk of addiction
Flodos
taking on a tulpa is a big responsibility, and like any responsibility, your ability to fulfill it depends on how stable you are yourself
I know. I've read a lot on tulpas. I've been familiar for years, actually. Ever since I realized the main character of my original universe took a life of their own in some way. I know people have advised against taking risks like this, you won't need to remind me, though I appreciate the concern nonetheless.
I just feel so alienated these days from everyone else and I already have half a consciousness kicking around and growing a bit more every time I write the stories. Right now, it seems as though I cannot connect with any other person the way I might be able to connect to a fully developed tulpa. I have a very rare condition and it's not necessarily an illness yet, I wouldn't say, so I don't want to subdue my truest self unless I have to, via whatever prescriptions I'd be given. However, it makes it very hard for people to understand me and ergo connect with them. Another person in my/our head would surely understand me -- right?
So. The inquiry stands.(edited)
F̵r̸a̷c̴t̶a̴l̷i̵s̷
I know. I've read a lot on tulpas. I've been familiar for years, actually. Ever since I realized the main character of my original universe took a life of their own in some way. I know people have advised against taking risks like this, you won't need to remind me, though I appreciate the concern nonetheless.
I just feel so alienated these days from everyone else and I already have half a consciousness kicking around and growing a bit more every time I write the stories. Right now, it seems as though I cannot connect with any other person the way I might be able to connect to a fully developed tulpa. I have a very rare condition and it's not necessarily an illness yet, I wouldn't say, so I don't want to subdue my truest self unless I have to, via whatever prescriptions I'd be given. However, it makes it very hard for people to understand me and ergo connect with them. Another person in my/our head would surely understand me -- right?
So. The inquiry stands. (edited)
Well, it depends on what the problem in connecting is.
2:12 AM
Is it a communication problem, in that you don't know the words to use? In that case there's a chance they might.
2:13 AM
But if it's issues creating those bonds - of creating meaningful relationships that you can fully trust and put your heart and soul - then I'm afraid it might not
Due to some instability in my past I have not vert severe trust issues, being unable to make very deep emotional bonds. I love my headmates, don't get me wrong... But I don't feel like I can fully trust them. I know I can fully trust them but my brain doesn't let me fully trust them.
2:15 AM
They literally are inside my head; they know what goes on but I am unable to be able to trust that they get it. If your problem is in you creating those trust bridges like me, then I'm afraid making a tulpa might not give you the result you want.
It's not trust. My mind is basically the textbook example of disordered thinking. It's like that ancient kid's game, "pick up sticks". Conversations are the game itself and the sticks are the topics. Most people are good at the game. They can pluck out and focus on one topic in a conversation. But I lose almost every time. It is very difficult to stay on topic -- to others -- but everything I touch on seems very on topic in my mind.
2:25 AM
I try to pull one stick out and disturb the rest.
2:26 AM
So people have a very hard time following me, as they think more linearly.
Flodos
That sounds fucked EuSou, how do you all handle that?
Well... Yeah, it sucks, but there's not much else to do. The way I kinda handle is just, deal with things alone really. Not asking for much help or having a lot friends. As for in-system, there's nothing I wouldn't trust them to do; I trust them fully but if you ask me "Do you trust them?" (or anyone really) my mind snaps to "No" before I go "well they are my headmates and they know me better than everyone else n such so yes" rather than just, thinking "Yes".
1:25 PM
So when I'm angry or sad I tend to isolate myself from them rather than ask them from help, trying to calm myself down on my own. Of course it'd be easier with them around. I just can't really get myself to have to rely on other people, even if they are my headmates. I have to be autosufficient like that.
Ultimately, my position on making tulpas is wanting a tulpa, especially into the long-term, is the best reason to make a tulpa. If your initial problem can be solved, would you still want your tulpa?
As for mental health, I think anyone can make a tulpa but they need to know their mental health can complicate tulpamancy for them. I highly recommend having a medical safety net, whether that's medication, therapy, or another medical treatment. Tulpas will ultimately be impacted by whatever conditions you have (autistic brains produce autistic tulpas, etc.)
Well up until a couple days ago we only really interacted in the inner world/wonderland but recently with a little training we started working on imposing Shade onto reality visually and with tactile sensations. This was working and today it seems like it just clicked. I can now feel Shade physically interacting with me when imposed and although very hazy I can see her imposed.
While simple, stuff like holding hands or her sitting next to me and laying her head on my shoulder are a surreal and amazing experience.
Well up until a couple days ago we only really interacted in the inner world/wonderland but recently with a little training we started working on imposing Shade onto reality visually and with tactile sensations. This was working and today it seems like it just clicked. I can now feel Shade physically interacting with me when imposed and although very hazy I can see her imposed.
While simple, stuff like holding hands or her sitting next to me and laying her head on my shoulder are a surreal and amazing experience.
having a tulpa is a huge commitment. a fully sapient (IMO) being that is completely reliant on you as a host for its existence? That's like taking care of a child with no social security safety net and no accountability. It definitely should not be taken lightly
If you truly believe that, how can't you take a stand every time you see a system going through dramatics that result in them saying they have an excess of tulpas?
Well, in my point of view most of tulpas are imaginary friends. They being important to us is something we decide. It's cool if you care for your tulpa dearly but it's bad idea to force everyone to look at their imaginary companions in the same way.
Well, in my point of view most of tulpas are imaginary friends. They being important to us is something we decide. It's cool if you care for your tulpa dearly but it's bad idea to force everyone to look at their imaginary companions in the same way.
Most people believe this, and it's a major corruption of tulpamancy- yet so prominant, most newcomers no know different
What's the use in any guide or guidance anyways when it's all just roleplay/imagination?
That's what the greater plurality community is, too- a LARP
And they made tulpas into a LARP too
Is there anything different? Yes but it's hiding lol dm me if you're interested in the backrooms
But I really do have to go now
Well, in my point of view most of tulpas are imaginary friends. They being important to us is something we decide. It's cool if you care for your tulpa dearly but it's bad idea to force everyone to look at their imaginary companions in the same way.
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As a "imaginary friend" I disagree profusely
Well, in my point of view most of tulpas are imaginary friends. They being important to us is something we decide. It's cool if you care for your tulpa dearly but it's bad idea to force everyone to look at their imaginary companions in the same way.
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As a "imaginary friend" I disagree profusely
What do you disagree with? To be clear, I don't mean to disrespect tulpas and I dearly love my own tulpas too. But if someone doesn't have the same kind of bonds with theirs, I don't want to force my point of view on them.
A big problem in the tulpa community is that we see "imaginary friend" as a derogative term. Sentient imaginary friend is the most close and accurate term that we have to broadly describe it all
Mon says that most tulpa's are merely imaginary friends, not all. Even if all tulpa's are imaginary friends, I'm of the opinion that not ascribing value to something that appears sapient as if it is (especially given that we have no way of verifying whether they actually are or simply present themselves as such) is morally wrong
imaginary friend that can choose to be what they want
Fazzie
A big problem in the tulpa community is that we see "imaginary friend" as a derogative term. Sentient imaginary friend is the most close and accurate term that we have to broadly describe it all
I value sophont life, be it a physical human or a thought construct within someone's mind
JGC
That's what the greater plurality community is, too- a LARP
And they made tulpas into a LARP too
Is there anything different? Yes but it's hiding lol dm me if you're interested in the backrooms
But I really do have to go now
Most people believe this, and it's a major corruption of tulpamancy- yet so prominant, most newcomers no know different
What's the use in any guide or guidance anyways when it's all just roleplay/imagination?
good point. If you base what is valuable on how 'real' it is, you'll have to draw a line between 'real' and 'not real' somewhere... which is really tricky
I never liked the term either. I have a personal problem with it because being called "an imaginary friend" meant Gray didn't have to listen to me and my opinion that matters.
However, a lot of tulpas are content with being called "imaginary friends" and some prefer that label over tulpa. I don't think it's wrong to say functionally tulpas are imaginary friends, but I don't personally like being addressed as one. It's one of those it depends on who the tulpa is and what they're comfortable with situations.
that makes no sense Mon. If it's a derogatory term to them, that's got nothing to do with how real they are
1:16 PM
implying they are something they are not, or are less than they are, is no different than using racist phrases, is it? It's just not banned because it's not a consensus opinion
Flodos
that makes no sense Mon. If it's a derogatory term to them, that's got nothing to do with how real they are
No it has nothing to do with their real value, but it might be coming from how much they fear not being real enough, independent enough, serious enough, mature enough, etc. It's easy to have that kind of insecurities as a tulpamancer.
1:18 PM
in my opinion if someone puts too much emphasis about a label and doesn't like when someone uses another, they are insecure about what they are and identify with a word too much. a secure person wouldn't bother and would just accept that word is just a tool of transferring information form brain to brain, and categories like that are meaningless
for that to work though both sides of the conversation have to be secure and mature
the issue is that with tulpa's, what's a legitimate label to one is derogatory to another. My tups would want to deck someone calling them imaginary same as if I heard a racist remark
I think a tulpa has a good reason to be insecure, especially early on. If a tulpa is dependent on their host, being not believed in can be what determines their existence or not. A lot of hosts walk out of tulpamancy because their fear it isn't real consumes them, and even worse, they never forget about tulpamancy and don't quite achieve vocality.
implying they are something they are not, or are less than they are, is no different than using racist phrases, is it? It's just not banned because it's not a consensus opinion
I think it would be overstepping to say it's derogatory, tulpa racism doesn't exist, and if it does, tulpas aren't being "suppressed" to the same magnitude. While I agree it can be insulting, I think it's unfair to compare it to racism.
Tulpas are difficult to talk about from an ethical standpoint. Tulpas are not completely separate from their hosts and some tulpas are more separate than others. I feel like we don't have the right tools to get a definitive answer to this problem. However, I think every tulpa deserves basic respect, regardless how separate they are
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yes exactly my point, some labels are derogatory for one when it's not for someone else. it's self inflicted problem
also to use another example, i would also not apply that to a trans person.
i don't know much about being trans, but i don't think there is "personality forcing" or reading guides going on that tell you how you must feel, there is not much of a choice. creating tulpa is a choice, with all the beliefs you form about them
No it has nothing to do with their real value, but it might be coming from how much they fear not being real enough, independent enough, serious enough, mature enough, etc. It's easy to have that kind of insecurities as a tulpamancer.
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Let's put it this way, I had to spend weeks getting Wrath to think he want just losing it. I don't exactly like having my entire existence written away as some roleplay for his humor
A long kiss goodnight
I think a tulpa has a good reason to be insecure, especially early on. If a tulpa is dependent on their host, being not believed in can be what determines their existence or not. A lot of hosts walk out of tulpamancy because their fear it isn't real consumes them, and even worse, they never forget about tulpamancy and don't quite achieve vocality.
implying they are something they are not, or are less than they are, is no different than using racist phrases, is it? It's just not banned because it's not a consensus opinion
I think it would be overstepping to say it's derogatory, tulpa racism doesn't exist, and if it does, tulpas aren't being "suppressed" to the same magnitude. While I agree it can be insulting, I think it's unfair to compare it to racism.
Tulpas are difficult to talk about from an ethical standpoint. Tulpas are not completely separate from their hosts and some tulpas are more separate than others. I feel like we don't have the right tools to get a definitive answer to this problem. However, I think every tulpa deserves basic respect, regardless how separate they are
I don't think that argument works. When you're trans, you typically pick up that label and people absolutely discriminate against transgendered people. The terms that are vulgar towards the trans community are not self-inflicted.
Even picking up a religion can get you undesirable labels.
Flodos
the issue is that with tulpa's, what's a legitimate label to one is derogatory to another. My tups would want to deck someone calling them imaginary same as if I heard a racist remark
Let's put it this way, I had to spend weeks getting Wrath to think he want just losing it. I don't exactly like having my entire existence written away as some roleplay for his humor
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*wasn't, stupid autocorrect
Flodos
Your last point was what I was trying to convey Ranger, I don't mean to make it too big a deal
I don't think it's a bad thing to have a strong opinion on this. It's a common question a lot of tulpas ask and honestly, better we have this conversation and decide for ourselves what our boundaries are than have others impose them.
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